One of the few reasons I read my Facebook newsfeed (most of my time on there is spent in groups) is because of A-list copywriter Bob Bly.

He and I don’t see eye-to-eye on a lot of things.

(He has privately scolded me several times on my wicked ways.)

But, he’s always been one of my favorite copywriters.

And, I have always liked how he gets people thinking and talking in social media.

Case in point:

He asked his FB friends what they thought of my claim in this morning’s email about the only purpose of a website being to build a list. Of course, he disagreed. And, of course, pretty much all the people replying to his post were against what I said, a few (gasp!) even taking what I said out of context.

Speaking of context, for the record:

My email Bob quoted from was talking to direct response marketers who sell with email already (or who want to). Not people who don’t use direct response marketing, don’t use email, couldn’t care less about using email, or who are Coca-Cola or some Fortune 1000 company or whatever.

Okay, so, now that we got that out of the way, on to the fun stuff.

It’s very easy to test out what I claim:

For the next 30 days leave all your education, demonstration, content, branding, articles, videos, testimonials, etc up on your website, but take down all your opt in forms, stop mailing your list offers during that same time frame, and see how your sales stack up to the prior 3 months’ sales. Then, if you want to further test it out, for the next 30 days after that, put your opt in forms back on your site, but take all the content, branding, teaching, demonstration, articles, testimonials, and anything else you think is more important than building a list down, resume mailing offers as usual, and see how your sales go.

Very simple.

But, I doubt anyone will test that out.

Or even consider it.

Why?

Because all the noble appeals to building credibility, demonstration, education, providing value, establishing trust, etc notwithstanding (all of which are important precisely **because they help you build your list**), if you had nothing else going for you but knowing how to use email correctly, you could build a decent business just running traffic to an opt in page, building that list, and then mailing it each day.

No blog, articles, pages of content, videos, personal branding, etc necessary.

No, it’s not ideal.

And, yes, you will almost certainly make MORE sales using the above on your site, too.

(i.e. I do all the above on my sites)

But, you could get by without them if you had nothing but the list, an offer people want, and email.

On the other hand:

You can have the best content, the most teaching, tons of educational videos, and all the usual website bells & whistles… but have no list you’re sending offers to, and you might make *some* sales I suppose. Maybe even a lot of sales if you have a huge brand/blog/site/audience already. But, that’d be a tough row to hoe for most of us mere mortals who don’t live in magic facebook fairy dust land where direct response marketing businesses aren’t first and foremost dependent upon having a list.

Anyway, that’s my take on the matter.

You can obviously do what you want.

But, if you want to try things my way using email, go here:

www.EmailPlayers.com

More:

Since we’re talking lists… and since the April issue is all about list building… and since the printer won’t be in until Monday anyway… I am extending the deadline to get the April issue until tomorrow (Sunday) at midnight.

Now get out of here before I change my mind…

Ben Settle

P.S. tl;dr version…

One of the commenters said:

“A website is a vehicle of influence that enables one to build credibility, establish trust, and quickly bond.”

And the *reason* for a direct response marketing business to build credibility, establish trust, and quickly bond with website visitors is, what?

Show of hands?

Anyone?

Fine, then I’ll spell it out for the class:

To build a list or make a sale (which builds a list)

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Even when you’re simply just selling stuff, your emails are, in effect, brilliant content for marketers who want to see how to make sales copy incapable of being ignored by their core market. You are a master of this rare skill, Ben, and I tip my hat in respect.

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I confess that I have only begun watching Ben closely and corresponding with him fairly recently, my mistake. At this point, it is, bluntly, very rare to discover somebody I find intelligent, informed, interesting and inspiring, and that is how I would describe Ben Settle.

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I think Ben is the light heavyweight champion of email copywriting. I ass-lo think we’d make Mayweather money in a unification title bout!

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Just want you to know I get great advice and at least one chuckle… or a slap on the forehead “duh”… every time I read your emails!

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AWAI’s Copywriter of the Year Award winner and A-list copywriter who has written for Oprah and continually writes control packages for the world’s most prestigious (and competitive) alternative health direct marketing companies

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I wake up to READ YOUR WORDS. I learn from you and study exactly how you combine words + feelings together. Like no other. YOU go DEEP and HARD.”

Lori Haller

(“A-List” designer who has worked on control sales letters and other projects for Oprah Winfrey, Gary Bencivenga, Clayton Makepeace, Jim Rutz, and more.

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I love your emails. Your e-mail style is stunningly effective.

Bob Bly

The man McGrawHill calls

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I start my day with reading from the Holy Bible and Ben Settle’s email, not necessarily in that order.

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A List direct mail copywriter

whose clients have included

Rodale, Boardroom, Reader’s Digest,

Men’s Health, Newsweek,

Prevention Health Magazine, the ASCPA

and, even, The Limbaugh Letter.

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Of all the people I follow there’s so much stuff that comes into my inbox from various copywriters and direct marketers and creatives, your stuff is about as good as it gets.

Brian Kurtz

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www.BrianKurtz.me

The f’in’ hottest email copywriter on the web now.

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The World’s Greatest Copywriting Coach

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Ben Settle is my email marketing mentor.

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Senior fellow of the Mises Institute, New York Times Bestselling Author, Prominent libertarian historian & author, and host of one of the longest running and most popular libertarian podcasts on the planet

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I’ve read your stuff and you have some of the best hooks. You really know how to work the hook and the angles.

Brian Clark

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Ben writes some of the most compelling subject lines I’ve ever seen, and implements a very unique style in his blog. Honestly, I can’t help but look when I get an email, or see a new post from him in my Google Reader.

Dr. Glenn Livingston

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There are very, very few copywriters whose copy I not only read but save so I can study it… and Ben is on that short list. In fact, he’s so good… he kinda pisses me off. But don’t tell him I said that. 😉

Ray Edwards

Direct Response Copywriter

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You’re damn brilliant, dude…I really DO admire your work, my friend!

Brian Keith Voiles

A-list copywriter who has written winning ads for prestigious clients such as Jay Abraham, Ted Nicholas, Dr. Stephen R. Covey, Robert Allen, and Gary Halbert.

www.AdvertisingMagicCopywriting.com

We finally got to meet in person and you delivered a killer talk. Your emails are one of the very few I read and study. And your laid back style.. is just perfect!

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Best-selling Author

“Entrepreneur” Magazine columnist

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There’s been a recent flood of copy writing “gurus” lately and I only trust ONE! And that’s @BenSettle

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I’m so busy but there’s some guys like Ben Settle w/incredible daily emails that I always read.

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